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November 5

Funny search results

I just ran a search for "South East Melbourne" after finding that it doesn't exist. Nearly all the early results (no surprise) are related to the South East Melbourne Phoenix or South East Melbourne Magic, two basketball clubs, but result #51 is South-East Melbourne, a redirect to geography of Melbourne.

Why isn't South-East Melbourne one of the top results? If I didn't know otherwise, I would expect it be the leading search (before the Phoenix and the Magic), since it's identical to the search term, except for a single punctuation character. Nyttend (talk) 02:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not able to duplicate: when I type search string "South East Melbourne", four articles appear in order: South East Melbourne Phoenix, South East Melbourne Phoenix all-time roster, South East Melbourne Magic, and Geography of Melbourne. However, as soon as I tap "enter" to execute the search, I'm redirected to Geography of Melbourne with no search result page displayed.

Outside of regular expressions, the search extension treats punctuation as "greyspace characters", equivalent to each other and to whitespace, so the hyphen does not matter.

Nyttend, which namespaces are included in your search and which search ordering are you using? Those might be affecting your results. Folly Mox (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I went to Special:Search (not the search bar on all pages) and typed there, with all default settings, including "Content Pages"; I don't know how to modify the search ordering. I'm familiar with Boolean, so I included the quotation marks to exclude references to South Melbourne that just happened to mention "east" somewhere else. If I remove the quotation marks, I see results comparable to yours (Phoenix, Magic, East Melbourne, geography, and South Melbourne), but with the quotation marks, it's again in the 50s. Nyttend (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Using that method, my results match (i.e. Geography of Melbourne way down the list). The search box uses CompletionSuggester, while Special:Search does not. I suppose the difference between the two comes down to "Content Pages", which I don't see anywhere in Minerva or Vector 2022, but which would exclude redirects from being searched. The CompletionSuggester resolves redirects.

The basketball topics are probably weighted more heavily because of things like e.g. membership in Category:South East Melbourne Phoenix players or multiple outgoing wikilinks to South East Melbourne Magic. Categories are indexed independently of article text, and multiple indices are searched and combined in the displayed search results. Maybe the category search results are weighted too heavily when searching for multi-word strings enclosed in quotation marks?

When I followed your provided search link, and altered the final url parameter from fulltext=1 to fulltext=0, again I'm redirected immediately to Geography of Melbourne. So the results seem to turn on the fulltext parameter, its relation to "Content Pages" vs redirects, and its interface with the category search index.

In Minerva and Vector 2022, the search ordering can be modified within the "Advanced options" dropdown underneath the input box and above the namespace selection dropdown (and can be randomised by altering the url parameter sort= to sort=random). Not sure about other skins. Folly Mox (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So different skins have different options on the search screen? Weird! I've always used Monobook, since it was the default when I registered my account. Nyttend (talk) 18:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just tested with ?useskin=monobook, and the search ordering options are still in the "Advanced options" dropdown (towards the bottom of the dropdown).

I kept Monobook till 2021, when my last laptop died. I still need to switch to desktop view occasionally to run Twinkle / Rater / Prosesize, etc., or to view navboxes, but I switched to Vector 2022 for my desktop skin since I felt it would be the most useful for helping new users. Folly Mox (talk) 18:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talking about inappropriate or too personal topics with other people on Wikipedia

No reason for this to continue. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Courtesy link: WP:HD § Permanently Banned on Hebrew Wikipedia
Moved to archives: Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2024 November 1 § Permanently Banned on Hebrew Wikipedia

Hi everyone, sorry to open a new question here out of nowhere again. I have an important question to ask you all now.

Well, you see... it seems part of the reason I was banned on the Hebrew Wikipedia was because I talked to them by mistake about drugs, alcohol, and getting laid(sex). I understand these topics are very personal and intimate, and might be considered inappropriate sometimes. Or, as I see things now, maybe its not just "sometimes", but "always". Is that true? Its not allowed to talk to other people on Wikipedia, about drugs, alcohol, and sex? if so, why are these topics so wrong and rude? We have articles on these things and there are full details including explicit photos about these things, so why its okay to leave these articles with the explicit content. But, when I try to talk to other people on Wikipedia about alcohol, drugs or sex, they appear very nervous, worried, angry, disappointed... and I can understand these things arent to be discussed publicly or between people who dont know each other at all, or good enough. But as you all probably know, we have articles about these things including explicit photos. And deep inside, we all watch porn sometimes, we all drink and become drunk sometimes, and we all take medications. And we all get laid. I'm sorry if I sound rude or maybe even crossing the line as they say. But, I must receive a clarification about these things before I explode out of confusion and numbness. With all that being said, if its not allowed to talk about alcohol, drugs and sex on Wikipdia with anybody, then I'll do what you say and will stop talking about it with anybody else on Wikipedia. We're all here to make Wikipedia a better place, and I'm part of this amazing community and all that. I dont "think" the community here is amazing, I KNOW. So if you're so amazing, I hope you can please give me a reply about what I'm asking now, despite how intimate, personal, and controversial alcohol, drugs and sex can be. Of course, What happened on Hebrew Wikipedia that got me banned wont happen here ever again. You can be sure about that. I just need a detailed answer about what I asked now. Thats all I need, and I'll continue editing like I always do because I love Wikipedia so much. Noam Atadgy (talk) 02:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encylopedia, not social media, so unless your disclosures have some bearing on article content, it isn't appropriate. There are plenty of other sites where you can do that sort of thing. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that the Hebrew Wikipedia is a separate project. We have no influence over their policies or who they choose to ban. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

so nobody here cares about the ban on hebrew wikipedia? Noam Atadgy (talk) 01:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noam Atadgy, I doubt it was the "intimate" content of your chat that got you banned. I suspect it would have been the same if you'd persisted in chatting about stamp collecting. We, and the editors at he:WP, are here to build encyclopedias, not to chat. Maproom (talk) 09:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to help you understand the situation better, I need to explain to you what I talked about in private emails with one of the admins of Hebrew Wikipedia.

Well, you see... the idiot argued with me about a few useless things. He was very rude and disrespectful in emails, and I was relatively polite considering the "go fuck yourself" I've heard from him/her a few times in emails when I've been in touch with him. To tell someone to "go fuck yourself" is disrespectful no matter how or what way you use to look at things, and I was rude back, because I couldnt help being offended, feeling insulted and uncomfortable with someone else telling me to "go fuck" myself. That's extremely disrespectful. Beyond the disrespect of Hebrew Wikipedia Admins, I've encountered alot of disrespectful Wikipedians as well, you know, the community itself who edit the wikipedia to help improve it? They're there to improve it, including myself, but at the same time... they are there to be rude, to insult other people, to make other people feel bad and ashamed of themselves. Thats insane. I couldn't believe my eyes for a few moments, but afterwards, I realized the Hebrew Wikipedia tries to turn me into the monster, and not the other way around. I have too many screenshots and evidence of what I'm explaining to you right now, and thats why, I am not afraid to explain it to you now. I hope you understand.

If you still believe I'm the idiot who shouldnt take part in the Hebrew Wikipedia again, you've got a serious mental problem and you need help.

What do you have to say about the disrespectful admin who talked to me in emails, the admin from the hebrew wikipedia, and the overall rude nature of the Hebrew Wikipedia community?

I can only tell you one thing to conclude things up: I'm the one who wanted to help improve Hebrew Wikipedia, and I still want to do so, but you're not letting me do so with your strange, unfair and stupid bans and blocks which came to me as a big surprise out of nowhere, without me violating any rules, other than simply sharing private matters and perhaps being a little rude. But being "a little rude" is nothing compared to the "go fuck yourself" your admin told me in emails. Noam Atadgy (talk) 11:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Noam Atadgy: In case you do not get the hint, there is nothing that the English Wikipedia community may do to help with your situation on Hebrew Wikipedia. And it appears that no one here thus far wants to take up your cause. Directions have been provided to you on how to resolve the issue by yourself. Please proceed to Meta wiki instead of continuing here.

If you wish to press on your issue with Hebrew Wikipedia and/or its admin(s) further and not focusing on improving the content on English Wikipedia here, don't be surprised if someone requests that you are to be blocked on English Wikipedia for not being here to build an encyclopedia, or an admin here doing so without further notice. – robertsky (talk) 11:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, cya then. Noam Atadgy (talk) 01:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Im here to help building wikipedia, but I stopped editing recently, not because I'm banned and cant edit, but because Im angry about Hebrew Wikipedia admins. I need somebody here, to tell me how to take care of them, without having to contact them directly, but maybe there's other admin from here or other place I can talk to, to help me take care of them. They are very rude and disrespectful, and they ban for no valid reason, you understand? Not because I'm some bored idiot who isnt here to help improve wikipedia, and so on.

And yes, meta wiki, how do I contact someone there to help me take care of hebrew wikipedia?

When I contact hebrew wikipedia by email, I already explained above, how rude they are in emails and refuse to help or listen to what I have to say. Now, they ignore me and dont answer any emails I send anymore. I have no one to talk to about this. I visited the link you sent of Meta wiki, but no one to talk to on there. Noam Atadgy (talk) 01:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry mate, if you can explain? It says on there:

Create a subpage with a suitable name, for example Requests for comment/Reforming the RFC process and content:

{{rfc subpage

|status =

|comment =

|date = 20241106011523

}}

Below this describe your issue and submit the edit. Don't forget to sign your initial statement. The link to your page will automatically appear here, thus do not try to add it manually, but you may have to use the "Purge" link above, otherwise it may take some days until it happens.

Please ensure that you meet the requirements for opening a RFC, and that you notify the required parties or wikis, as per Requests for comment/Policy.

How do I do that? It doesnt let me edit the page and add a subpage. Noam Atadgy (talk) 01:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i dont know what a subpage is or how to create it unfortunately. Noam Atadgy (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

maybe i was banned because one of your hebrew wikipedia admins was bored and found an easy target. Noam Atadgy (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You keep saying “your Hebrew admins” but as people have said, the different language Wikipedias function independently - like different subreddits or Facebook groups. It does not make sense to ask people in a random one to help with you being banned or having grievances in a different one. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 06:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Urgent request to sustain the credibility of two pages.

I’m hoping someone can advise on how to get an administrator to review an issue, or even if it is an administrator that I next need to involve. I’ve seen the templates available for this, but I’m not sure where to place them. There’s an ongoing issue, now spanning over two article’s, where an (highly experienced) editor is repeatedly removing valid edits on one person’s article. They’re also questioning the relevance the subject’s daughter’s article. Both of these women are BBC TV personalities, with one recently deceased - making the deletions especially impactful for new readers. On my talk page, this editor is stating that my edits aren’t constructive and suggesting that I read up on Wikipedia guidelines before continuing to edit. I replied to him on my talk page, when he didn’t respond I responded to him on his talk page. I am now addressing him on both article pages. One only a few minutes ago, but another last night when he was clearly active. Apologies for the lengthy message, but I’m unsure where else to turn, aside from the “Help” section here, where responses tend to be quick. Elinoria (talk) 09:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention that an anonymous editor came back and replaced my edits, but the initial editor keeps deleting them, and they are in an edit war. I am not the anonymous editor. Elinoria (talk) 10:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia works by discussion, achieving consensus, not by some "authority" (admins or anybody else) wading in and ruling.

The steps to follow are laid out in dispute resolution.

If you believe that an editor or editors are behaving contrary to Wikipedia's policies, then you can take it to ANI - but note that 1) this is for behavioural issues: ANI will not get involved in content disputes; and 2) your behaviour will be considered as well as theirs. Please read the material at the top of WP:ANI before deciding to post there. ColinFine (talk) 10:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit filter triggered

Why i am getting this error.

Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like you're trying to add an email address to this page. Doing that, especially with a personal email address, is usually a bad idea as it can attract large amounts of spam. Though there are a few legitimate reasons to include an email address, in most cases Wikipedia will remove email addresses that are added to articles or discussion pages.

Help me to solve this Mohammedarif255 (talk) 11:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mohammedarif255: I have reviewed the content that you want to add in the log (for EFH/EFM/admins: Special:AbuseLog/39163908), the message you have received is correct. There is nothing for us to resolve. And don't add the rest of content as well, Wikipedia is not here to promote your business or yourself. If you add the content even after this warning/advice (however you may want to take it), the content may be deleted without further warning. – robertsky (talk) 12:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 October 31#I am trying to add this page to Wikipedia but getting an error. Are you User:Saifurrahmanprof or cooperating with him? You tried to add the same text and asked the same question. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How judicious should we be when we choose which articles to write for Wikipedia?

Hi all. I joined Wikipedia recently because I was interested in writing articles about arthropods in Asia. I've written a few already, including ones on Matrona cyanoptera, Cosmodela batesi, and Forcipomyia taiwana. I was telling my brother about how I'd added articles for these species, and he warned me that I shouldn't write about things Wikipedia labels as "low importance," as these articles needlessly take up space and cost Wikipedia money.

I've been reluctant to write any new articles since then. I want to ask, is he right that I should avoid writing "low importance" articles? If so, is there a way of knowing which topics are more important? Nephila121 (talk) 11:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no rule against writing articles of "low importance" on Wikipedia, as long as they can pass notability guidelines. Your contributions are still appreciated regardless of the importance of the articles. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, both for your kind words and the linked notability guidelines! Those are very helpful. Nephila121 (talk) 12:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nephila121 Welcome to Wikipedia! Well, Wikipedia:WikiProject Arthropods welcomes like-minded editors like you. Your brother is right about one thing, articles take up space and cost money, but nothing has stop other editors thus far to write 14,731 (and counting) low-importance articles about arthropods, neither should you be dissuaded.

If you like to focus on more important articles, there are a number of existing arthropods-related articles that may require further improvements which you can click through at Wikipedia:WikiProject Arthropods#Assessment statistics. Focus your attention on the articles that are of stub-, start-, C-class quality and of mid- and high-importance. – robertsky (talk) 12:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thank you! I'll definitely take a gander to see if I can contribute to any of the mid to high importance articles (though I'm also happy to keep writing low-importance articles so long as they're welcome here)! Nephila121 (talk) 12:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nephila121, you never know when one of those low-importance articles is going to be incredibly important to a reader! Please keep writing whatever articles you enjoy writing, or editing ones that already exist if you feel like doing that - any contributions that help build the encyclopedia are always welcome, and the space/money cost is absolutely negligible. We'd love to be able to cover every possible notable topic, and it might be that no one else wants to write about those arthropods - so if you do want to, then we need you to keep writing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure there is a de facto rule that any biological species, extant or extinct, gets to have an article if somebody wants to make it. A lot of these are one sentence with one ref, and maybe many were imported en masse from a database (I don't know), but I've never seen anyone try to delete one, and it would probably turn into a big fight if anyone tried and would probably fail. I believe that populated places with even 1 resident get the same courtesy. (IIRC there was a proposal to adopt this as an actual rule, but it failed, but that didn't change anything.) Herostratus (talk) 04:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile version

Hello,

On the pages Fort de Brégançon and United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, when seen on the mobile version, the infobox comes up above the first introduction paragraph. Could someone take a look? Many thanks!

86.247.154.109 (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both of these articles used Template:Coord, with |display=title. According to Template:Coord/doc, When this template is used with display=title, the template is not displayed on mobile. So what was happening is that the mobile frontend was reading the first displayed information in the articles (the coordinates), then choosing not to display it. I've moved the coordinates to the infoboxes in both articles, and the first paragraph of the lead section now appears at the top on mobile. Folly Mox (talk) 13:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity / accountability / yall's information, when I changed the transclusion of {{coord}} to |display=inline (my first attempt), the articles displayed as: bare coordinates, infobox, first paragraph. Hence the decision to move the template inside the infobox. Folly Mox (talk) 13:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multnomah tribe/people

It was NOT malaria that killed off the native peoples in the Great NW. It was most likely measles, smallpox or syphilis. The Multnomah area is above the 45 parallel North. Malaria is a disease of tropical and temperate countries between the latitudinal limits of 64° North and 57° South (Gill, 1921) with prevalence increasing towards the equator.

I'm busy

Someone please fix this. Keepupthe (talk) 14:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Direct this to Talk:Multnomah people. Departure– (talk) 14:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the claim of Malaria is cited to source which I would have thought counted as reliable - though it doesn't cite its own sources, so possibly not. In order to challenge it you will need a source at least as reliable that says something different - and your argument above amounts to synthesis, which is not acceptable in a Wikipedia article. But please do bring this up on the talk page as Departure suggests, and you may find other editors who will work with you on the matter. ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

reuse of information

Can I use wikipedia's information in a local community publication or do I need a license to do so? It is a publication and I have stated in the front of the booklet that all factual information is taken from Wikipedia. We are a printing company and I am just creating a publication for the community and have used the history from wikipedia about the different cities/villages. Thank you! 66.227.157.221 (talk) 14:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most text on Wikipedia is under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 license. Read the terms there. Images uploaded to Commons are typically under free or public domain licenses, but images hosted on Wikipedia may be subject to non-free guidelines. Copyright on images should be made on a case-by-case basis. Also, please note the VNT policy, which states that information cited to Wikipedia only needs to be verifiable, not necessarily true, and that WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Departure– (talk) 14:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Reusing Wikipedia content. ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

License

Do I need a license to use information from Wikipedia? I am creating a publication for our community and am just using the historical information from certain cities/villages in our county. I have noted in the front cover of the booklet that Wikipedia is being used for all factual information, but I want to be sure that I do this right. Thanks.

Debbie Jet Speed Printing (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the thread above. Departure– (talk) 14:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wildly wrong fact, no idea whether to remove or what

On War_reserve_constable there's a statement that three War Reserve Constables (WRCs) were killed in the line of duty, and then the three are listed. But just for the Metropolitan Police alone by my count there's about 44 'deaths from enemy action' (they also list a few others, and the page doesn't just have WRCs) - although not always clear if they were on or off duty at the time (the one I was looking up when I spotted researching this issue Arthur William Gurr Thorburn was on duty guarding a bomb site). For certain I don't have the time to list all even from just this one force ... really uncertain how such a wildly wrong fact should be handled, doesn't seem fair to take down names from the article of the three listed ... also noting the Metropolitan Police WRC listed is NOT one of the 'deaths from enemy action' but most definitely was on duty (stabbed by a suspect). Rhillman (talk) 15:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhillman That section of the article doesn't cite any sources, so you could tag it with {{Unreferenced section}} in the hope someone will improve it. Meanwhile you should certainly express your concern on the article's Talk Page at Talk:War reserve constable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After posting at the article talk you could post links to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law Enforcement. TSventon (talk) 15:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, have done both - hopefully correctly! Rhillman (talk) 18:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That looks good, the talk page only got one pageview in the last 30 days so hopefully the additional links get more attention. TSventon (talk) 18:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhillman, do you have a source? UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 18:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@UnsungHistory, I suggest that you read Talk:War reserve constable#Deaths 'in the line of duty' and reply there. TSventon (talk) 18:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 6

Blocking of my addition at Quit India Movement page by user Dympies

On "Talk" Page, you can read in detail. I have 4 historical citations for the same stuff which I tried to add in page "Quit India Movement" - It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SO CALLED HINDUTVA - this was my first contribution at Wikipedia and was blocked by Dympies who seems to be a very partisan person. People have advised me to take Wikipedia to a court in US (I am a US citizen). Dympies blocked it by saying citation should be from a book which is a non-sense. Several of Dympies' contributions fail his own test - for example on J.P. Nadda Wikipedia page, he has only one citation 18 (please see the weblink below - a political magazine India Today) claiming serious corruption charges against a very senior BJP minister in the PM Modi government in India - It is well known that "India Today" is anti-BJP (please Google words - "India Today anti BJP") - His sentence about corruption charge against Mr. Nadda and then also mentioning CBI report in the same sentence show that some how Mr. Nadda's name is there in the CBI report which is completely false (https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/jp-nadda-clean-chit-in-aiims-rs-7000-crore-scam-983691-2017-06-20) - his contribution on J.P. Nadda page should be deleted as it is from an anti-BJP political magazine based on he said she said type story. Significant number of his contributions need to be deleted at Wikipedia because all of them fall in this category - I do not have time otherwise I would have gone after each and every one by blocking citing same criteria which he used for mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._P._Nadda&diff=prev&oldid=1242596783#mw-diffpage-visualdiff-cite_note-18

Significant number of Dympies' contributions are pro-Muslims and anti-BJP (in India) - his blocking of my stuff has nothing to do with lack of citations (of Hindutva) but instead he does not want world to know the stuff about MK Gandhi [why Gandhi opted for 1942 Quit India Movement) which I have written.

Please read here what Dympies wrote to me

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sxk125125&diff=prev&oldid=1248471149#September_2024_2

Congress party is not known for fiddling with the history. It is the modus operandi of Hindutva activists to impose false history. Dympies (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply][reply]

Your statements after statements about baseless Hindutva propaganda as well as your Wikipedia contributions (of mostly Muslim stuff) clearly show me you HATE anything which can be remotely related to so-called Hindutva. It is useless to argue with a pro-Muslim person!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sxk125125. Please be aware that ethno-nationalist and religious personal attacks on your fellow editors are forbidden on Wikipedia. Please stop. Cullen328 (talk) 02:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not have written it if Dympies would not have attacked me by writing "It is the modus operandi of Hindutva activists to impose false history." Do you know what is "Hindutva"???? This was my first contribution in Wikipedia - Dympies does not even know me - then how he known that I am Hindutva activist??? For his information, I have a PhD from US university and I was in Indian Administrative Service (please see Wikipedia page for it and also Google it) in India. My addition in "Quit India Movement" Wikipedia page has nothing to do with Hindutva at all. After he used this sentence, I went through the history of Dympies constributions and found that he himself had contributed sentences, based on just one citation based on he said she said type stories, in several Wikipedia pages but he blocked my addition because most probably he hates anything which is critical of Mahatma Gandhi!!!!!!!!!! He should not be an editor at Wikipedia at all. You need to warn him not to brand me a "Hindutva activist" because my contribution on Quit India Movement has nothing to do with "Hindutva activist" as he does not know me at all - my addition at "Quit India Movement" had 4 historical citations - .All my citations are from reliable sources from 1942 like British Government declassified files from British government archive websites. Apart from this, other citations are from August 5 1942 New York Times (anyone can access it) and Google Newspapers archive. He needs to stop being Gandhi lover on Wikipedia. It is truly said that victors write the history. Sixty years of Nehru-Gandhi dynasty rule in India has Completely corrupted the freedom struggle history in India and there are people who do want the world to know the truth!!!

Here are links of 3 archives as my citation (4th was August 5, 1942 New York Times - Why do you require a book citation to block???

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=P9oYG7HA76QC&dat=19420805&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20230801124840/http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/small/cab-66-25-wp-42-255-35.pdf

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20231023124901/http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/small/cab-66-26-wp-42-271-1.pdf Sxk125125 (talk) 02:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote, it was Dympies who wrote FIRST following

Congress party is not known for fiddling with the history. It is the modus operandi of Hindutva activists to impose false history. Dympies (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply][reply]

How is it offensive to add to a subhead "and appointment as Health Minister"? Is it disputed that he was appointed Health Minister? —Tamfang (talk) 03:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a question of adding under the subhead and "add appointment as Health Minister". Dispute is for following (sorry for writing wrong webpage - I wrote wrong webpage which was final page as he edited same paragraph 3-4 times)- which was started by Dympies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._P._Nadda&diff=next&oldid=1242384641

and still it is there today as following:

"According to a June 2017 India Today investigative report, Nadda was found to have suppressed an investigation of what the report called a ₹7,000 crore scam. The India Today reports included reports from the CBI and a parliamentary committee."[21 reference today 11/7/2024]

As I have written, Dympies has given ONLY ONE citation India Today (which is well known in India for its anti-BJP bias and Nadda is a senior BJP leader and a senior minister). Dympies has tried to write this sentence as if Nadda's name was in CBI report but if you go through his ONLY CITION (https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/jp-nadda-clean-chit-in-aiims-rs-7000-crore-scam-983691-2017-06-20), you will find VERY FEW LINES on CBI report and Nadda's name is not there at all. Hence Dympies is misleading millions of Wikipedia readers all over the world - YOU CANNOT WRITE ABOUT A CORRUPTION CHARGE AGAINST A SENIOR MINISTER BASED ON BIASED REPORTER unless charges were/are filed or there were Investigative agencies' documents against him!!!! Significant number of Dympies Wikipedia contributions fall in this same category, i.e. have single citation only and all of them need to be deleted.

Also Dympies blocked my short 2 paragraphs at [1942] "Quit India Movement" by claiming that it should have citation from a book also although I have 4 independent reliable historical citations. Sxk125125 (talk) 05:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and then only I wrote following:

Your statements after statements about baseless Hindutva propaganda as well as your Wikipedia contributions (of mostly Muslim stuff) clearly show me you HATE anything which can be remotely related to so-called Hindutva. It is useless to argue with a pro-Muslim person!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Hindutva activists" means who propagate "Hinduism" - Do not you think that it was Dympies who wrote started ethno-nationalist and religious personal attacks on fellow editors????

You must warn Dympies for personal attack and also he should not edit any page related to India's freedom struggle because of his bias as he does not believe in historical facts at all and he would continue to harass people like me by blocking contributions by citing bogus Wikipedia rules. Sxk125125 (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sxk125125, of course I know what Hindutva means. You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the ~~Teahouse~~ Help Desk. We do not decide content disputes here. Instead, we give advice on editing Wikipedia, and its policies and guidelines, including its behavioral norms. And it does not matter at all if another editor misbehaves because that does not justify you misbehaving. That editor may end up getting blocked for all I know. I am not talking to that other editor. I am talking to you right now, and so I will repeat what I said to you above, as a formal warning: ethno-nationalist and religious personal attacks on your fellow editors are forbidden on Wikipedia and you must stop. Please read dispute resolution for various legitimate ways to resolve the content disagreement. Cullen328 (talk) 02:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the Help desk, but your point still stands. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My reputation has been ruined. I need help trying to stop an unauthorized person vandalizing articles in my account.

Someone has been going on my account. It may be a friend, or some random guy. Whoever it is, they are ruining my reputation. please help! Space339(Ahnaf)^{❯❯❯ Let's talk!} 00:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edits on Wikipedia doesn't really affect your real world reputation. If you want to stop others from using your account, consider changing your password by following the steps at H:RP. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 00:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Space339, I have blocked your account as compromised. It is your obligation to maintain account security. Please follow the instructions that I left on your user page. Cullen328 (talk) 01:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my edit was reverted because “ it did not appear constructive”?

Hello, I have just recently joined wikipedia (well today actually) and i started off by editing a page of a school where i studied, Potisarn Pittayakorn School. But it has been reverted back because my edits didnt appear to be constructive? Is it because my account is too new to edit these type of pages, or is it because I have to put sources and references to what i have edited? How should I solve this issue? apiwitch :3 (talk) 02:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect it was just an error. Removing the space from the name of the school makes it look to an English speaker kind of like a string of random letters, so the person who reviewed the edit probably thought it was someone vandalizing the page.

Having said that, can you explain why you removed the space from the name of the school? Does the proper name not actually have a space? If so then the article should be moved so the title matches.

@Fuzheado: Courtesy ping since we're discussing your revert here. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 02:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the proper school name doesnt have a space, as it would appear in the official page and also the school’s facebook page (https://th-th.facebook.com/potisarnschool/). If there was a space there it would be “โพธิสาร พิทยากร“, which would somewhat look a bit grammatically incorrect to anyone that knows thai. But at the same time if it had been compounded together i think it would look werid, so I think — would “Potisarn-pittayakorn” make less confusion than my edits? (or should i put both iterations of them?) And also, yes, I had forgotten to move the title of the article, so I would like to apologize for that, I mean I forgot to do so, so its kinds my fault i got reverted, i think? Overall, I understand why Fuzheado would revert my edits, and I dont want to have him get into trouble for this. So how should I proceed next? apiwitch :3 (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, just to set your mind at ease, nobody is getting in any trouble here, and neither did you do anything wrong. We assume good faith here; your edit was fine and Fuzheado probably just misjudged it. As someone who also does RC patrol, it's very easy to make mistakes now and then when reviewing large numbers of edits.

There also isn't really an order you need to follow in terms of editing the name in the article versus moving the article to a different title itself. You have nothing to apologize for there!

As far as the article goes, I can't really say whether the title should be all one word or be hyphenated. If you are a native Thai speaker, I'd actually say that you're in a better position to make that call. What do you think would make the most sense? --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 02:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

well, I think I could go back and make the same edits again, but with changing the article, or the title name of the page so that it wouldnt be mistaken as vandalism and also adding some sources for my edits. Is there a way to change the name of the title of the page? I know this is probably some kind of a newbie question that could be searched on the internet ( well i kinda got confused by it) but how would one do it exactly? im sorry if my question was a bit confusing. And also, thank you for helping me with solving this issue, sir. apiwitch :3 (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I will undo the revert to your changes so that you don't have to make them by hand again. If you would like to take care of moving the page yourself, you should be able to. If not, I'd be happy to assist. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 03:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, right now, my account hasnt been autoconfirmed yet. and as ive looked on in the internet so far; it requires that status in order to move pages. So, if it doesnt bother you, could you assist me in moving the page Potisarn Pittayakorn School to the correct name of Potisarnpittayakorn School? Again, thank you for your help apiwitch :3 (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, right. I just moved the page. Thanks for your patience and for approaching this matter with grace and civility. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thai is natively written sans spaces, so it can be hard to know where a space belongs in transliteration. —Tamfang (talk) 03:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions about drafts

Hi there! I've been editing a draft about a Squarepusher album (Draft:Dostrotime). The actual link for Dostrotime is currently a redirect that goes to his artist page. I submitted the draft for review instead of directly moving it to mainspace because I didn't know the process on how to replace the redirect with the article. So, I have two questions:

1. If a draft is already submitted for review, should I even attempt to move it to mainspace, or just wait for a reviewer?

2. How would you go about moving a (currently draft) article to replace a redirect? Beachweak (talk) 09:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you wrote the entire draft, the simplest solution is just to copy the text of the draft and paste it in to the redirect. -- asilvering (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply! Would I delete the draft afterwards? How would I go about doing that? Beachweak (talk) 10:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want something deleted when you're the only author, you can use WP:G7. -- asilvering (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to make a new page?

Paul Cripple Bakija just passed away. He was the guitarist and founding member of REAGAN YOUTH and Along with the lead singer and co founder Dave Insurgent Rubenstien I knew them both from 1981 Forest Hills HS. Maybe we need a replay In Dog we Trust! 2603:7000:8800:BA36:A688:E44B:454F:B3DB (talk) 11:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor. Wikipedia has an article on Reagan Youth. For the moment, I suggest you include any new information there. Please ensure you use only reliable published sources for items like the death date. Note also that Wikipedia is not a site for creating a memorial to people. We aim to cover notable musicians but often don't have separate articles for band members. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT or LGBTQ?

I've noticed that a lot of pages say LGBTQ now, but some still say LGBT. Is it official that Wikipedia now uses LGBTQ? JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 17:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither, judging by WT:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies/Archive 79#Requested move 6 September 2024. The current Talk Page of that Project may be the best place to get comments from interested editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333, the general principle is to follow the sources. So, if the reference supporting the content says "Person A identifies as a member of the LGTBQ community", then the Wikipedia article should use LGTBQ in that specific context. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 23:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inline links to other wikipedias

Let's say I'm writing an article that is strongly associated to a country with another language (for example, Javier Milei, president of Argentina, a country where people talk in Spanish). At one point the article needs to mention Rodrigo Lussich, a TV showman from Uruguay. There is no article about him on this wikipedia, but there's one at Wikipedia in Spanish. Should the name be left unlinked, as a red link, or as an inline link to the article in Spanish as in Rodrigo Lussich? Doing so may be misleading, the link seems a link like any other and sends the reader to a Wikipedia written in a language he may not understand (and perhaps even with another user interface), but I have found no policy or guideline saying that such a thing shouldn't be done. What to do, then? Cambalachero (talk) 19:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cambalachero: See {{ill}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which gives Rodrigo Lussich [es].TSventon (talk) 20:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably better to format the inter-language link as

{{ill|English Wikipedia article name|lt=English Wikipedia article name visible to the reader|two-letter language code|Source Wikipedia article name}}

because if an English Wikipedia article already exists under the same name (e.g. an article about different person with the same name), the inter-language link template will use the already existing article as the target article. There are some examples of this on template's documentation page. FWIW, this isn't a problem per se in the example given by the OP because no article about anyone or anything named "Rodrigo Lussich" currently exists on English Wikipedia; if one was created, though, the inter-language will automatically look like a "regular" Wikilink to readers and take them reader to the existing article's page, and the link to the non-English Wikipedia article will no longer be visible. Using the |lt= parameter with the inter-language link template also makes it possible to add English Wikipedia disambiguation to the target link if necessary and hide the disambiguation from the reader. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC); posted edit by Marchjuly per below. -- 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but don't omit the "ill|" at the start. An example of the lt field in use: {{ill|Jun Watanabe (photographer)|lt=Jun Watanabe|ja|渡辺淳 (写真家)}}, producing Jun Watanabe [ja]. More often than not lt isn't necessary. -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for catching that. Very silly mistake on my part. I've added the "ill". -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I (not OP) made the change. Now one of three usages of ill on the page. Not even close to the most usages of ill that I've seen on a page. :).Naraht (talk) 14:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet account

Hello, are there rules around sockpuppet accounts, and if so, is there anywhere I can discuss one that is interacting with me? It’s being used by a very experienced editor who seems to have a lot of supporters, but surely this is something that could be looked into by someone? Elinoria (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinoria, you seem to be engaged in a content dispute. I don't think there's any sockpuppetry going on, but the policy is listed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. A good way for you to resolve your content dispute would be to use Wikipedia:Third opinion. win8x (talking | spying) 21:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Win8x Thank you, I will use both. Very grateful for the Third Opinion option regarding the content, as I have been looking for something along those lines since this started on another article from the same editor. Elinoria (talk) 21:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:) If it fails, feel free to use the other methods listed at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. win8x (talking | spying) 21:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Win8x, again that’s helpful, this time because I managed to lose the Dispute Resolution Link during the stage where I had to exhaust the article talk pages. Elinoria (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

Error Message

I keep getting this error message:

{"name":"HTTPError","message":"500","status":500,"detail":"Internal Server Error"}

I have tried different pages, different browsers, different computers. Reguarless, i get the same error message.

I appreciate your help.

THANK-YOU!!!!

Jack Mabry Jacksmabry (talk) 02:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be something unrelated to Wikipedia. Have a look at List of HTTP status codes#5xx server errors to see what's your error is all about. INeedSupport ^:3 02:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A 500 error is the server saying it can't handle the request. It's most likely a temporary glitch on the server (these are often caused by buggy code), but could equally be caused by a bad request. The fact that this error has been reported in JSON says to me that the request might not be a typical one. More examples of when this happens, and why it didn't happen this time, might help. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 03:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correction of birthday

Shankarsha karade marathi actor birthday is mentioned wrong so how to we edit that? 2409:4042:6EBA:FC82:0:0:B288:8E11 (talk) 02:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can just edit the article and add the information along with supporting source. Could you provide the link to the article? I'm not sure which article you are referring to. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone have a look on a draft and help me with sending it for the approval?

Hi! Made a translation for an article in Polish (pl:ESky.pl) at Draft:ESky, because couldn't publish it directly due to lack of editor status. Would somebody help me with appropriate tagging it to be approved? ThePhoenix4 (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the submission template so you can submit it, however, if you were to do so, it would likely be declined quickly, as it just summarizes the routine business activities of the company. Instead, it should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Note that this may be different from the Polish Wikipedia, which is a separate project with its own editors and policies.

If you are associated with this company, it must be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID ("paid editing" includes employment). 331dot (talk) 10:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ThePhoenix4: you have already submitted Draft:eSky Group and been asked to show that it meets N:ORG so please don't submit both at the same time. TSventon (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lastest recommended method of copying equations from wikipedia pages

Hi there,

I raised this question a few years back and was told to run the following script and I would be able to copy the equations on the wiki pages:

//

(function () {
    $(document).ready(function () {
        mw.loader.using(["mediawiki.util"], function () {
            try {
                var mathSVGs = $(".mwe-math-fallback-image-inline");
                mathSVGs.each(function () {
                    var mathSVG = $(this)[0];
                    mathSVG.src = mathSVG.src.replace('render/svg', 'render/png');
                });
            } catch (error) {
                console.error(error);
            }
        });
    });
})();
//

Unfortunately, recently the above method seems getting increasingly ineffective, manifested by the majority of equations are missing when pasting the copied webpage into Word.

I tried some Firefox, which is my primary browser, plugins such as MathJax but none of them worked.

I'm wondering if there is a recommended method by Wikipedia to copy the equations? My usage of the copied contents is sheerly personal study.

BTW, I'm a regular donator of Wikipedia.

Your prompt reply will be much appreciated.

Regards,

Shan Farhill (talk) 11:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Farhill As an editor, I thank you for donating money to the Foundation, but that money goes to the Foundation for its activties (like operating the computers Wikipedia is on). We editors don't see the money, and telling us that you donate doesn't influence day to day activities like discussions. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering has a Math setting but I don't know whether another choice will help you. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Farhill: For a technical matter such as his, try asking at WP:VPT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What criteria does this article fall in under speedy deletion.

NOTE: the wikiproject this article exist in which is the si.wikipedia.org has the same WP:DP as en.wikipedia (just translated). But asking here to get a more experienced opinion.
The article si:අත්තරගම රාජගුරු බංඩාර a person declared as a poet of the kingdom of kandy era, was made in 2014. up until now, the only content in the article was that same sentence "this person is a poet of kandy kingdom era". even that is tagged as not confirmed. Does this article meet any criteria for deletion? VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 14:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Each wiki has its own rules, you will need to consult the deletion policies there. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VihirLak007 You say that the si:Wikipedia has the same deletion policies as en:Wikipedia. In that case, you can read the detailed criteria at WP:CSD. Such an article here could also be prodded if the deletion were uncontroversial but the criteria for speedy deletion were not met. However, your safest course of action is to consult a suitable forum on si:, since as already advised we have are not fully aware of their policies. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael D. Turnbull @Tutwakhamoe Thanks! VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 16:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VihirLak007 en Wikipedia has a template {{Unreferenced}} which populates Category:All articles lacking sources, which shows that unreferenced articles are not always deleted, so you may need to look at the si versions of WP:DEL-REASON, WP:BIO and WP:AFD. TSventon (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COI?

I joined Bluesky late in the summer of 2024, when it was an invite-only service. Do I have a conflict of interest with the platform? — 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 15:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joined as a user or developer? If you are a user, then there's no conflict of interest. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation help

I'm not sure if this is the right place, but could someone please add {{IPAc-en}} and {{respell}} for the Tenh Dẕetle Conservancy article? I'm not familiar with the use of these templates. BC Parks gives the pronunciation of Tenh Dẕetle as "Ten-thet-luh" here. Volcanoguy 17:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done INeedSupport ^:3 18:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting a statement consistently mistranslated by (otherwise) reliable sources

My question is what to do if all English sources contain the same mistranslation of a statement made in Hebrew and a video of the original statement and reliable Hebrew sources with the correct transcription are available.

The articles on Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip (2023–present) and Yoav Gallant (and possibly others as well) refer to the widely reported quote from Yoav Gallant on 9 October 2023 that he ordered a "complete siege on the Gaza Strip". Many (otherwise) reliable sources are cited. Unfortunately, this appears to be a mistranslation. In the cited YouTube video and the video embedded in the cited Al Jazeera articles (1, 2)), Gallant very clearly says העיר עזה, "Gaza City" or "the city of Gaza", not רצועת עזה, the Gaza Strip. This is confirmed by reliable Hebrew sources, e.g. this Haaretz article. The YouTube video says "the city of Gaza" in the subtitles; the Al Jazeera articles just say "Gaza"; but all sources quote and report the announcement as if it referred to the entire Gaza Strip. For instance, the cited article in the Times of Israel (which might have been expected to provide a correct translation of the Hebrew) says "Gaza" in the title but "the Gaza Strip" in the direct quotation in the text.

I'm wondering how this should be fixed. I worry that if I just change the quote and add Hebrew sources, people will look it up in the English sources and change it back. Removing the English sources and citing only Hebrew sources doesn't solve the problem, either – (the wrong version of) the quote is so well-known that someone is bound to add English sources if only Hebrew sources are cited. I'm wondering whether the mistranslation itself is notable enough to discuss it in the article (in which case both English and Hebrew sources could be cited to illustrate the issue). This might be appropriate in the article on the blockade, where such a public (mis)perception of the article's topic is itself an appropriate subject of the article, but it seems a bit less appropriate in the article on Gallant himself, which should simply quote him correctly. Any advice would be much appreciated.

(To avoid misunderstandings: I think Gallant is a war criminal; I'm certainly not doing this to defend him or the Israeli government; but even (and perhaps especially) in writing about war criminals we should be precise.)

Joriki (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:When sources are wrong. It has good advice. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 18:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think changing Gaza Strip to Gaza City could help. Adding the references you gave would help as well. However, the entire Gaza strip was affected by the blockade, not just Gaza City itself. Mentioning the entire strip was affected instead of Gaza City alone after the blockade was implemented would sort out the confusion. INeedSupport ^:3

Article rejection

Someone please article Draft:Meru Khavas was rejected many times from for creation 2409:40F4:3040:A3FD:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 18:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the reason why it was rejected. Some of your sources barely mentions Meru Khavas, which wouldn't be a good source. Also, the writing style of the article appears to show support to him, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. For example, "freed the Kutch ships from their terror" means that the Kutch are the bad guys. However, that shows biases against them. Instead, it should be stated that the Kutch are the opposition to Khavas and Khavas successfully won the war against them. We want to have a neutral point of view for articles to prevent biases.

Try to expand on the buildings Meru Khavas built and how they blocked off pirates. How did the buildings work? INeedSupport ^:3 19:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first comment says This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). You need to show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. If you can't do that, then it doesn't really matter whether the article is well or badly written. TSventon (talk) 20:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of Interest? Translation? Narrative Reconciliation?

Hi, I'm a user who joined as an undergrad for a project. I'm now a grad student studying abroad in Italy and have some questions about how to proceed about translating this italian article, since I would like to include a geology section. However, I have an interest to declare - a recent ancestor lived there - it's what drew me to the place, and now it's an interesting case for me to study as well. I hope that isn't disqualifying? And if it's iffy, maybe I could just write a geology section?

Anyway it suffered horribly in the two recent mid-Apennine earthquakes and when I visited last year it was leveled with the ground, minus the church. If I were writing the article from scratch, I would list it as a 'ghost town' and include satellite photos, etc but the italian article is decisively optimistic about its evacuated (but still registered) population. there is no space for 71 people to live amongst the rubble, but I'm hesitant to openly contradict the italian piece, even in tone. I don't want to confuse people either.

What is your advice?

Tcort2018 (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia reports what is reported in reliable sources, not what editors find out after their own examination of the subject. If you can find a source to back up the claims that the town is abandoned, then there's no reason to not add it. However, in its current cited state, the article without the claim that it is still abandoned would be perfectly acceptable, as Wikipedia tells what is reported, not what is necessarily true. Departure– (talk) 19:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for a potential conflict of interest, you are not barred from editing the article of the city you live in as just a resident (unless you're working for the city itself, like this, which I'm assuming you aren't). Departure– (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As this would be your first article, you could read Help:Your first article. There is some guidance on translating from another Wikipedia at Help:Translation. Different Wikipedia projects have different rules, and articles in en Wikipedia have to follow en Wikipedia's rules. TSventon (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of the entire section on 'Works' from the WIKI entry of Seta B. Dadoyan

This is Prof. Seta B. Dadoyan, scholar and prolific author, also painter. In June 2024, I noticed that my WIKI entry (that was made over a decade ago, perhaps more, I learned much later) needed serious updating, as many publications and other developments were missing. When I tried to contact a "WIKI editor" and suggested a complete and more accurate list of 'Works - to be added by a WIKI writer - I was harshly encountered by an 'X' editor, who not only threatened but also mutilated the entry by removing ALL the works, under the pretext of "lack of references, for already published works by major publishers (???), and "conflict of interest."

All subsequent contacts and promises by a certain "editor" 1AmNobody24 were smoke in the air. People and colleagues who search me on Google, find a mutilated entry, a scholar with NO WORKS, and otherwise no reference to role and perspectives. The entry looks vandalized!

WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST I SHOULD DO to restore a decent entry?

SBD 69.121.114.43 (talk) 19:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: Seta Dadoyan

You do not own your articles (see the policy for that here).

You should read the policy on conflict of interest at Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest - you are strongly discouraged from editing the article on yourself. As for the text itself, the removal's edit summary read Formatting issues - this is a wall of text and the length is excessive in any case; should cover notable publications only.

The Manual of Style dictates how articles on Wikipedia should typically be written for consistency and other reasons. Your edit was a copy-and-paste of every work you have created, regardless of notability. Each entry should be notable enough for entry in a scholar's article in the same way that every city in a country should be notable enough for a place in that country's article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, nor is it a scientific journal or textbook, nor a directory. If you choose to update the article again, make a request on the article's talk page (Talk:Seta Dadoyan) and explain what needs to change and why. Not everything belongs on Wikipedia, but there may be sources to indicate the verifiability of certain works you've created - feel free to request those works to be added. Departure– (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may find WP:About you and our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that maintaining an up-to-date list of works is fairly tedious and labor-intensive, and our editors are volunteers with better things to do with their time. It's also unnecessary, because there are multiple professionally-maintained databases that list all of your works. We link to these databases in the "Authority control" section at the bottom of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 03:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to create my name and details in Wikipedia?

how to create my name and details in Wikipedia? Do I need to pay for it. If yes how to do that? Avrjaya (talk) 22:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is you don't. Wikipedia is explicitly not social media and not a place to write about yourself

And anyone who says they will do it for you for money is a scammer. It doesn't work that way either. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is....you don't. Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a database of people that exist. Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources say about a topic, not what it says about itself. Please.use social media to tell the world about yourself. 331dot (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

great minds... Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Step 1: Become famous (or infamous). Step 2: Wait til some editor gets around to writing an article about you. Step 3: Celebrate! Clarityfiend (talk) 04:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What to do with apparent unsourced material

Not an issue for Help desk. Referred elsewhere.

An another user removes (my) additions of the "citations needed" template; Also continuously reverts the removal of uncited material, which I removed on the basis that the removed material was completely unsourced, as per Wikipedia:Content removal. The article of topic is the Origin of Hangul article, where this whole part of a section is completely unsourced. (this is the article's part where the user is arguing for being sourced)

Text about the origin of hangul

"" Although the Hunmin jeong-eum haerye (hereafter Haerye) explains the design of the consonantal letters in terms of articulatory phonetics, it also states that Sejong adapted them from the enigmatic 古篆字 "Gǔ Seal Script". The identity of this script has long been puzzling. The primary meaning of the character 古 gǔ is "old", so 古篆字 gǔ zhuànzì has traditionally been interpreted as "Old Seal Script", frustrating philologists, because the Korean alphabet bears no functional similarity to Chinese 篆字 zhuànzì seal scripts.

However the character 古 gǔ also functions as a phonetic component of 蒙古 Měnggǔ "Mongol". Indeed, records from Sejong's day played with this ambiguity, joking that "no one is older (more 古 gǔ) than the 蒙古 Měng-gǔ". From palace records that 古篆字 gǔ zhuànzì was a veiled reference to the 蒙古篆字 měnggǔ zhuànzì "Mongol Seal Script", that is, a formal variant of the Mongol ʼPhags-pa alphabet of the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368) that had been modified to look like the Chinese seal script, and which had been an official script of the empire.^{[citation needed]}

There were ʼPhags-pa manuscripts in the Korean palace library from the Yuan Dynasty government, including some in the seal-script form, and several of Sejong's ministers knew the script well. If this was the case, Sejong's evasion on the Mongol connection can be understood in light of the political situation in the Ming Dynasty. The topic of the recent Mongol domination of China, which had ended just 75 years earlier, was politically sensitive, and both the Chinese and Korean literati regarded the Mongols as barbarians with nothing to contribute to a civilized society.^{[citation needed]}

It is postulated that the Koreans adopted five core consonant letters from ʼPhags-pa, namely ㄱ g [k], ㄷ d [t], ㅂ b [p], ㅈ j [ts], and ㄹ l [l]. These were the consonants basic to Chinese phonology, rather than the graphically simplest letters (ㄱ g [k], ㄴ n [n], ㅁ m [m], and ㅅ s [s]) taken as the starting point by the Haerye. A sixth letter, the null initial ㅇ, was invented by Sejong. The rest of the consonants were developed through featural derivation from these six, essentially as described in the Haerye; a resemblance to speech organs was an additional motivating factor in selecting the shapes of both the basic letters and their derivatives.^{[citation needed]}

Although several of the basic concepts of the Korean alphabet may have been inherited from Indic phonology through the ʼPhags-pa script, such as the relationships among the homorganic consonants, Chinese phonology played a major role. Besides the grouping of letters into syllables, in functional imitation of Chinese characters, Ledyard argues that^{[citation needed]} it was Chinese phonology, not Indic, that determined which five consonants were basic, and were therefore to be retained from ʼPhags-pa. These included the plain stop letters, ꡂ g [k] for ㄱ g [k], ꡊ d [t] for ㄷ d [t], and ꡎ b [p] for ㅂ b [p], which were basic to Chinese theory, but which represented voiced consonants in the Indic languages and were not basic in the Indic tradition. The other two letters were the plain sibilant ꡛ s [s] for ㅈ j [ts] (ㅈ was pronounced [ts] in the fifteenth century, as it still is in North Korea) and the liquid ꡙ l [l] for ㄹ l [l].

In order to maintain the Chinese convention of initial and rime, Sejong and his ministers needed a null symbol to refer to the lack of a consonant with an initial vowel. He chose the circle ㅇ with the subsequent derivation of the glottal stop ㆆ ʼ [ʔ], by adding a vertical top stroke by analogy with the other stops, and the aspirate ㅎ h [h], parallel the account in the Haerye. (Perhaps the reason he created a new letter rather than adopting one from ʼPhags-pa was that it was awkward to write these Chinese initials in ʼPhags-pa, where ㅇ and ㆆ were both written as digraphs beginning with y, ꡭꡝ and ꡗꡖ.)

However, Ledyard's explanation^{[citation needed]} of the letter ㆁ ng [ŋ] differs from the Haerye account; he sees it as a fusion of velar ㄱ g and null ㅇ, reflecting its variable pronunciation. The Korean alphabet was designed not just to write Korean, but to accurately represent Chinese. Many Chinese words historically began with [ŋ], but by Sejong's day this had been lost in many regions of China, and was silent when these words were borrowed into Korean, so that [ŋ] only remained at the middle and end of Korean words. The expected shape of a velar nasal, the short vertical stroke (⃓) that would be left by removing the top stroke of ㄱ g, had the additional problem that it would have looked almost identical to the vowel ㅣ i [i]. Sejong's solution solved both problems: The vertical stroke left from ㄱ g was added to the null symbol ㅇ to create ㆁ ng, iconically capturing both regional pronunciations as well as being easily legible. Eventually the graphic distinction between the two silent initials ㅇ and ㆁ was lost, as they never contrasted in Korean words.

Another letter composed of two elements to represent two regional pronunciations, now obsolete, was ㅱ, which transcribed the Chinese initial 微. This represented either m or w in various Chinese dialects, and was composed of ㅁ [m] plus ㅇ. In ʼPhags-pa, a loop under a letter, ꡧ, represented [w] after vowels, and Ledyard proposes^{[citation needed]} this rather than the null symbol was the source of the loop at the bottom, so that the two components of ㅱ reflected its two pronunciations just as the two components of ㆁ ng did. The reason for suspecting that this derives from ʼPhags-pa ꡧ w is that the entire labio-dental series of both ʼPhags-pa and the hangul, used to transcribe the Chinese initials 微非敷 w, v, f, have such composite forms, though in the case of ʼPhags-pa these are all based on the letter ꡜ h (ꡤ etc.), while in hangul, which does not have an h among its basic consonants, they are based on the labial series ㅁ m, ㅂ b, ㅍ p.

An additional letter, the 'semi-sibilant' ㅿ z, now obsolete, has no explanation in either Ledyard or the Haerye. It also had two pronunciations in Chinese, as a sibilant and as a nasal (approximately [ʑ] and [ɲ]) and so, like ㅱ for [w] ~ [m] and ㆁ for ∅ ~ [ŋ], may have been a composite of existing letters.

As a final piece of evidence, Ledyard notes^{[citation needed]} that, with two exceptions, hangul letters have the simple geometric shapes expected of invention: ㄱ g [k] was the corner of a square, ㅁ m [m] a full square, ㅅ s [s] a chevron, ㅇ a circle. In the Hunmin Jeong-eum, before the influence of the writing brush made them asymmetrical, these were purely geometric. The exceptions were ㄷ d [t] and ㅂ b [p], which had more complex geometries and were two of the forms adopted from ʼPhags-pa. For example, ㄷ d [t] wasn't a simple half square, but even in the Hunmin Jeong-eum had a lip protruding from the upper left corner, just as ʼPhags-pa ꡊ d did, and as Tibetan ད d did before that.

If the ʼPhags-pa theory is valid, then the graphic base of Hangul consonants is part of the great family of alphabets that spread from the Phoenician alphabet, through Aramaic, Brāhmī, and Tibetan (though the derivation of Brahmi from Aramaic/Phoenician is also tenuous; see the Semitic-model hypothesis for Brahmi). However, this is only one component of its derivation.""

This section of the article has had the "More citations needed section" template up since June 2019, alongside it being plastered with the ^{[citation needed]} template way before I first got there, and by the looks of it the user reverting my removals & and my previous "citations needed" edits has been asserting for this "theory" of the section since 2008, while reverting any previous attempts of the removal of non-sourced material by other users. I have tried talking to this user with no results; The user claims that the article is cited and that I have no grounds for content removal/flagging. I believe that this would be unsourced and also very speculative material - and would like to either remove the material on the basis that it is unsourced, or at least put citations needed tags on dubious claims, but as I am new to Wikipedia, I would very much like to request for an admin to shed some light on this. Thanks. Daldidandal (talk) 22:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The help desk is not really the place to go when looking for admin intervention in a dispute. This looks more suited to WP:ANI if you want that, but the short answer is that you and @Kwamikagami: should probably be discussing this on the talk page, which I note has not been used in exactly two years. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aight. Good to know. Daldidandal (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daldidandal, when you ask some administrator to "shed some light" on the matter, I infer that you're hoping that some level-headed person knowing their way around the labyrinth of Wikipedia guidelines will give you advice on the rights and wrongs and the best course of action. A sensible request, except that administrators certainly don't have a monopoly of the combination of level-headedness and expertise; and thus there's no need to ask for an administrator. As for "admin intervention in a dispute", plenty of editors are willing to intervene in disputes and administrators are among them; but administrators put on their "administrator" hats only for particular kinds of action, not in order to pull rank. (Administrators are not moderators. Wikipedia does not have moderators.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pages with Dropper.YA Trojans

20202_Unted States_presidential_election_in_penssylvania.pdf has a Dropper.YA trojan

A month ago the SQL page had the same trojan

What is being done to fix it? 85.237.194.225 (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where are you seeing this virus issue? As far as I'm aware Wikipedia does not host pdf files directly. TiggerJay (talk) 03:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect OP means 2020 United States presidential election in Pennsylvania. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it is one of the external links or cites, there is not much that Wikipedia can do about it because it is hosted on someone else's website. However, could you be more specific about which link is causing the problem?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it is an external link, then this link can be removed. The OP might care to provide us with the entire URL of this rogue PDF. -- Hoary (talk) 10:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did take a look at all of the external links and none have "20202" nor "pennsylvania.pdf" in their link name -- so I'm not sure its an EL. Additional page history shows no changes since they reported this. Perhaps they typed the file name manually, and mean the pdf they create when they click the Download as PDF link, but that appears to work fine, so last ditch effort might be that they have an infected computer that is impacting files they're downloading. But without a specific reference to where they saw it (possibly on another page or even another website, because we've seen that before), there probably isn't anymore that can be done. TiggerJay (talk) 15:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

Newspapers.com

Hello. I recently got renewed access to Newspapers.com through the WikimediaLibrary (hurrah) and it was working fine until yesterday when I can't access it again. Could someone please point me in the right direction to ask about this - I deleted the email thread about it once it was sorted and I can't remember where to go. Thanks BJCHK (talk) 09:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BJCHK You can post at WT:TWL, where that sort of issue normally gets resolved. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Search not working on main page using Chrome

Wikipedia looks normal when I open it, but the search function doesn't work at all. This has been happening during the last two days. Seems to work fine using Edge. Can't believe no one else has this problem! 8 Nov 2024 2603:6010:9501:2500:DD80:98E0:64CA:2E36 (talk) 11:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What goes wrong? If there is no search box then look for a magnifying glass icon at top. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I use Chrome (on a laptop) and the search function appears to work as normal for me. If you don't get a helpful response here, you can try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like it might be a specific problem on your computer, as I have tried it on several different systems that run Chrome. However, since you are referring to a search box, this is often where your plug-in/extensions will interact with a page, such as password autofill, grammar checkers, etc., for that reason, perhaps try disabling all of your Chrome extensions and see if that solves your problem, if it does, then slowly add them back in until you discover which one is causing the problem. TiggerJay (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might need to clear up some cache in your Chrome browser. INeedSupport ^:3 18:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How many readers, and percentage figures (thanks)

I'm not sure how to read the numbers, and have read varying tallies and estimates, so would like to know an accurate count/percentage to quote when needed:

1) How many individual readers view English Wikipedia daily? (average or approximate) Does a count correctly reflect each individual reader or does it add '1' each time a different page is clicked (even if by the same reader)?

2) What percentage of these readers view English Wikipedia on mobile and how many on desktop/laptop?

Thanks ahead of time. As a p.s., the 'Help' button at the top of my watchpage goes to MediaWiki and not to a relevant Wikipedia in-house page, which seems counter-productive (maybe a Wikipedia page can provide this information?). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Coy article

Instead of Mr. Coy the posted photo shows Jeff Morrow from his appearance in The Sign of the Pagan, 1954 2601:8C:4700:3800:FCF4:340E:9E99:9D43 (talk) 14:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your observation. Do you have a link or some other citation to establish what you're claiming? From a quick search, the photo currently shown for Coy [1] certainly does not look like it is from the Sign of the Pagan movie. I can see how they do appear to have some similar features and were active during the same years. TiggerJay (talk) 15:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

using push pin map to demarcate area and perimeter

I came across this article recently which uses push_pin parameters to locate the school in the infobox.
I noticed the perimeter of the school's grounds are demarcated but on exploring the infobox source I cannot see where the push pin map is getting the data for the boundaries.

Can anyone help explain through which process one would go about creating such a map that included perimeters? Thanks! Jo Jc Jo^{Talk💬Edits📝} 15:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jo Jc Jo: See mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM. The data is from https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1299385063 which says "wikidata Q24995263". "In other projects" under "Tools" at Bogaerts International School also links there on "Wikidata item". Surprisingly, the Wikidata item does not link to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1299385063. It doesn't have to. Kartographer gets data from OpenStreetMap by itself and detects the connection to the Wikipedia article. I think that it's not because OpenStreetMap links the Wikipedia article but because they both link the same Wikidata item. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Table rowspan interaction with headings may have changed in Chrome

I noticed that Bitwise_operation#Truth_table_for_all_binary_logical_operators had alignment issues in Chrome and resolved it. While the rowspan attribute on the divider cells was large enough to include the bottom heading row, it didn't affect it. Using up-to-date browsers without extensions, this is impacting Chrome but not Safari or Firefox.

Because the historical page versions are rendering in the same broken way as the live page before I edited it, I believe it was a relatively recent change in Chrome. I tried searching the internet and didn't find any discussion of whatever the change may have been.

Playing around with the table, it looks like if I reduce one rowspan from 6 to 5 and add a normal non-header data cell into that bottom header, the other rowspan=6 works fine and includes a gap in that bottom header. But if there are no normal cells in that header row, then both rowspan=6 behave as if they were rowspan=5.

I'm posting here for three reasons. 1. This behavior isn't mentioned on Help:Table and related pages. I don't know if it should be. 2. I don't know if this is something that Chrome would consider to be a bug, and therefore if it should be reported. 3. If this is a permanent change that may affect multiple pages, someone might want to look for and fix other instances, if there are any. Solid kalium (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Solid kalium: Your edit made no change for me (except for adding some cell borders) in Google Chrome on Windows 10. Have you enabled Make headers of tables display as long as the table is in view, i.e. "sticky" near the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets? The gadget alters table header rows but it can cause tables to become malformed when there are rowspans involving those cells. Different browsers may react differently to a malformed table. Or do you have a Chrome feature which tries to make sticky headers by itself? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter Thanks! That was indeed the issue. I was signed out in the other browsers.

I've removed the borders I added. Interestingly, the header for that table isn't sticky with or without that setting enabled. Solid kalium (talk) 19:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are people allowed to write lies on my wikipedia about me. I want to rectify this

why are people allowed to write lies about me. I want to make my account accurate. 2A00:23C6:E787:D01:9846:14FD:87D3:141F (talk) 16:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have particular concerns about libel written on your page, you can go to WP:BLPN and explain your situation in better detail there for a volunteer to assist you. Otherwise, Wikipedia is not censored and if the "lies" turn out to be backed up by reliable sources and given their proper weight in the article, they're likely to stay. Please do not edit your own article directly, unless the edits are obviously vandalism. Departure– (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming this is Louise Robey it's not a matter of people being allowed to write lies about you. Wikipedia doesn't necessarily document what is true but rather what can be verified by reliable secondary sources. These include this source - which is the basis for the statement on the Louise Robey page. Simonm223 (talk) 17:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I just added that source a few minutes ago. The statement was previously unsourced. But it's repeated in a lot of other places too, such in as the blurb for Stan Shaffer's posthumous 2010 book and several social media accounts claiming to represent Louise Robey. AntiDionysius (talk) 17:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your account, then? Please log in to it to post. Bishonen | tålk 17:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Presumably "account" as in "A record of events; a relation or narrative.". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may find WP:About you and our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hacked accounts

I need help for hacked accounts please help I’m suffering from 2022 up to date there are many users and unknown devices in my account they have full access 149.54.37.34 (talk) 18:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not currently logged in to an account. If you have an account and you suspect it to be compromised, please see WP:HACKED. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several hurricane remembrance templates need to be fixed

I recently created several hurricane or storm related userboxes and want to make some more. But the templates of User remember Gilbert and the User remember Gordon didn't turn out proper for some unknown reasons. Can somebody please help me revamp these templates and make both of them show properly according to Style Manuals? I intend to create other Hurricane or storm remembrance userboxes. Please help me. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 19:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Publish Changes Button not Working

Every time that I have gone to use the publish changes button on the slender-billed vulture page after making my edits to the page, the top bar that shows the loading just loads forever and it never publishes. I can still edit the summary for some reason, but I can't exit out of it either to get back to the page. The only way out of it is to reload the page which deletes anything I added. What should I do? Thatcrypticrobyn (talk) 21:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thatcrypticrobyn: I don't see anything that should be preventing you from editing - the page is not protected and there doesn't seem to be any unusual code on it, and I was able to edit it. Clearly you can edit other pages, though, so I don't think it's a software problem. You also have no entries in your filter log. I've made a copy of the page at Draft:Slender-billed vulture, can you try to make your edit to that page? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector hm- this is so odd. So I logged out and back in to try one more time, and this time it worked on the original page, however I left some bolded content that I forgot to undo so I went to make another edit to fix it, which immediately started having the same problem. The only way I could fix that one was going to the source mode and sending it through as a minor edit through there, which finally worked. Thatcrypticrobyn (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thatcrypticrobyn You now seem to have made an edit to slender-billed vulture, so I assume the issue is now resolved. Note that you should add cited sources for each statement as you proceed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thatcrypticrobyn: hmm, I don't know the ins-and-outs of the visual editor very well, but maybe its code is getting stuck on something. Maybe there's an update in progress, or a recent change introduced a bug, or maybe an extension you're running is interfering with it. You might get better advice by posting at the village pump for technical issues. Hopefully you find a resolution soon, and sorry I couldn't be of more help. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

question about vandalism warnings and reporting to AIV

An account (Sdfdsa) was recently created, and it made an edit to Susie Wiles, that was the same as a reverted change by an IP user (72.77.35.159). As I believe that the user account was created in attempt to mask or hide the warning, should I count this warning as a warning when reporting the account to AIV? owuh (talk | she/her) 21:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ow0cast I would be cautious about this. The content removed from the lead is not mentioned in the body text and hence is not a valid summary, as WP:LEAD says it should be. Hence it is arguably a perfectly reasonable change and not necessarily WP:VANDALISM. You would be better to handle this by engaging in a discussion on the Talk Page of the article well before going to AIV. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, I was just going off of previous edits. I will of course go to the Talk Page before going to AIV, and was more asking for future reference. owuh (talk | she/her) 22:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ow0cast Note also the Finkbeiner test, which may have been one of the reasons not to have that comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 9

Formatting fixes to closed discussions

Checking if instructions like "The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it." on an archived talk page discussion (e.g. an RfC or FA review) include correcting formatting or indentation to make it more legible. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say in 99.5% of the cases it should be left completely unmodified even for things that otherwise make sense such as formatting. Especially in the case you're talking about it can actually change how replies and responses were intended. Sometimes the actual discussion ends up with messy formatting, but people are also actively reading and responding within that context, not the modified one you might put forward even with good intentions. An example of where I just today did edit a "closed" discussion was to revert someone who replied today to a closed discussion -- of course that doesn't belong there because it was never part of the discussion. TiggerJay (talk) 00:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks! – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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